Good afternoon everyone. Everyone already knows everything about this car, but nevertheless, one more look from the outside may not be superfluous for someone. Moreover, I’m not Toyotofan, I’m not a fan at all, I evaluate cars by their characteristics, and not by the nameplate on the case. So, what we have: a standard Toyota, one piece. Options Anniversary, engine 2.5, automatic, all-wheel drive. Treydinovsky, bought from a dealer, the car is 8 months old, mileage is 12 thousand. In hot pursuit, I decided to throw my first impressions of the car.
First, why didn't you take a new generation? Briefly — 1.outwardly, the new one is not very pleasant. The Highlander's ass is good, but the face personally makes me sad. You can get used of course, but why? 2. Knowing the hands-on assemblers from St. Petersburg, you need to give them a couple of years to master the technology, then maybe high-quality cars will go, the first batches are always terrible for them, like Toyota, like Hyundai. I had questions about assembling Crete's crooked-handed vans, although the car was far from the first batches. 3. The car is much more expensive, despite the fact that I considered only 2.5 engines with a gun. The price difference of more than half a million is a good argument against the new one, despite the fact that there is nothing fundamentally new in the fifth generation. Well, in general - a car of 19 years old, such options with a 2.5 engine in normal condition without an accident and other nuances at an adequate price are very rare, mostly 16 were on sale, very rarely 17 years, at almost the same price, for a couple of years quite a relevant option, but outwardly it is a matter of taste, I like it more than the 4th body. In a couple of years, we'll see, maybe I'll mature for a new body, life will show, the car is fresh, it won't lose its relevance for a long time. I don’t care about the opinion of other people, I’ve been riding a small Hyundai Crete for 3 years, and it was the same with us, whoever thinks about me, didn’t complex then, what can I say about Rav 4)) People write that the 5th generation is closer in the cabin, but you have to take a test drive to compare yourself, while there is no desire and opportunity.
A few words about choice. I am not a fan of any brand. Prior to that, went to Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Kia. By the way, Creta left a very pleasant impression, a good car for the money, didn’t cause any problems at all. Toyota pisses me off a little with its savings on matches and controversial decisions on ergonomics and multimedia, but also, in fact, they never let me down, whether new or used. There were problems with Nissan, so I treated this brand with particular caution and decided to avoid it. In addition to Nissan, I looked at all possible options from all manufacturers. The range of options reviewed is very wide. The money seemed to be both for expensive options and for new ones, but I wanted to spend them wisely, getting as much as possible a car for every ruble spent.
The budget is about 3 million, it would be possible to add borrowed funds in case of particularly interesting options. Therefore, the range of options viewed was very large. I watched Prado, 200s, Fortuners, Harrier 2.5 hybrid, Highlanders, Outlanders, Suzuki Escudo, Foresters, XV, and Lexus Nx 200t-300t, Rx 300, 450h. Both running and new options, both left-hand drive and right-hand drive. But I still left the right one as a last resort, I have nothing against it, but other things being equal, it’s better to have the steering wheel on the left side. Cars of different categories, both in terms of purpose and comfort. The priority was Pradiki and LK 200, but it was not possible to find adequate options for the state / price. ALL the 200s corners we looked at, for example, turned out to be with hard twisted runs, either broken, or with crooked docks, or with some other jambs, it turned out to be impossible to find a live version. Thank God now there is all the info on Automotive News and on the drome, the entire history of the car is perfectly visible, you can not even waste time viewing the most useless options. Outbidders are having a hard time.
Bu Rav 4 won in terms of the ratio of a lot of cars for a lower price, and purely outwardly for some reason he wanted it. True, cars with a 2.5 engine were very rarely put up for sale, 9 out of 10 cars sold came with a 2.0 and a CVT, which, to put it mildly, did not stick anywhere to me, even a new one, not to mention a bushy one. His option was looking for a month and a half. Then this coronovirus mixed all the cards and made its own adjustments ...
The products of European manufacturers on the island are not popular, they are represented by piece copies with a muddy history, and are not in demand at all, all these Audis, BMWs, VAGs, Range Rovers here are few people need and are interesting, they were not even considered. There are no dealers, no spare parts, no repairmen familiar with equipment from Europe, and without proper care and high-quality repairs, super-high-tech, stuffed with electronics and expensive Europeans risk turning into a pumpkin, and the owner into an eternal owner of scrap metal.
Most of the doubts and throwings were caused by the 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe standing next to the seller, with a 2.4 gasoline engine, in some of the good trim levels, at a very tasty price comparable to RAV (but still a little more expensive). Ride on her. A luxurious car, no doubt, it was very comfortable. There are a lot of different plushies. And also outwardly very attractive, you can not argue here either. But according to the results of the RAV 4 / Santa Fe test drive made in a row, it became clear that the Korean is much stiffer in suspension, loses in dynamics, despite a similar engine. Well, the issue of liquidity for expensive Koreans is separate. The car impressed and did not leave anyone indifferent, but the practicality, liquidity, much greater comfort and slightly better dynamics of Toyota defeated the beautiful exterior, interior and comfortable interior of Hyundai. Well, and not least in importance - my girlfriend pointed her finger at the ad with the "red car", and said - "this is the most beautiful", and her opinion is important to me, I love it) But to tell the truth, I myself, when I saw ad for this, cherry, heart beat a little faster, and when I saw her live, I immediately thought "I want!" I do not like standard colors, the most massive white/black/gray leaves me completely indifferent, this color seemed unusual to me. Now it’s true, I began to notice a lot of cherry ravchiks on the streets, for some reason I didn’t pay attention to them before😁
It’s a pity, of course, that this option was with a black, and not with a beige or red interior, but the market is good for that and that you choose better from what you have, and you don’t order what you want. By the way, the 5th generation was generally deprived of such a choice, now there is no alternative black interior. It’s a pity if there would be a variant of a new car with a bright interior, I would think hard.
So, first impressions of RAV 4. I will compare primarily with Crete and a little with Highlander. It is clear that all the cars are from different price segments, but they are primarily related by the fact that both are all-wheel drive crossovers with top-end petrol engines.
Firstly, driving is much more convenient. Much more space in the cabin. Thresholds are covered with doors - how I missed this in Crete! The driver's seat with pronounced lateral support, in Crete a flat back. Also, the seat can be adjusted in height, this was not the case in Crete. The range of steering wheel height / reach is approximately the same. The ergonomics of control in Toyota are much worse, the buttons are scattered randomly, and in the blind spots, Hyundai is great in this regard. The instrument panel in Toyota is also worse, there is no separate speed indicator on the central display, and the speedometer in the configuration of the steering wheel and seats that is convenient for me is blocked here and there by the steering wheel. There are certainly more rear seats in Toyota, the trunk is also much larger. Heating is better in Hyundai - the steering wheel was heated there over the entire area, and not in the places of grip, seat heating works much faster and stronger in Korean. Haven't tried the front one yet.
The plastic is soft and pleasant to the touch in Toyota, in Hyundai it was completely oaky and hard, the most deshman that they could find. But here the difference in price fully justifies itself.
Wipers clean better and are quieter in Toyota.
The sound of the head unit in Hyundai was so lame that the Yandex balalaika of Toyota is perceived as a symphony orchestra, although it slows down and is buggy. Well, about this I will have a separate post in addition. But in Crete, nothing has ever slowed down, unlike the Yandex bottom of Toyota.
Visibility is slightly better in Toyota, although generally comparable. Mirrors are excellent, everything is perfectly visible. The rear view camera in Toyota, to my surprise, was without the dynamic marking lines that Hyundai had. But the screen size is certainly much nicer in Japanese. At night, the Toyota camera also shows better. It is also surprising that despite the significantly more expensive price of the car, Toyota does not have parking sensors either front or rear. Hyundai had regular rear ones, with distance animation on a color central display. Also, Hyundai has more advanced tire pressure sensors, you can see the pressure in each individual wheel at any time. Petty savings in the spirit of Toyota.
Auto-dimming Toyota mirror is convenient.
On the go, after the reviews of other people, I expected a stool and a cart, but surprisingly, the car turned out to be radically better than Creta. The level of comfort is simply incomparable. Rav is much softer on the road, small bumps, on which Creta was shaking like a fit, Toyota does not notice at all, large ones go much softer. Very pleased with the suspension, and better than the last Crete, and the year before Highlander. At the same time, the car is perfectly controlled, even on winter non-studded tires.
Hyundai has better brakes, Toyota brakes a little worse, but by the way, no surprises, deceleration is predictable and clear.
Dynamics especially pleased. The 2.5 liter engine pulls the car briskly and cheerfully, acceleration is clear and vigorous throughout the entire range, acceleration even from 120 km / h is confident, it presses into the seat. The only thing is that when a sneaker hits the floor, the car starts to throw a little from side to side, you have to taxi, but again, everything is predictable. Comparison with the top Creta with a 2.0 engine is much better in favor of Toyota, despite the fact that the Korean is much smaller and lighter. The speed in this car is not felt at all, it seems you are driving calmly, but it turns out to be already weaving.
Noise isolation in Hyundai was so bad that it is useless to compare here. In Toyota, it’s quiet and calm for me, so I won’t invest any effort or money in it, I have enough Shumka that I have.
A few words about the expense. While of course it is too early to draw final conclusions, I will ride for a month, two, three, we'll see. At the moment, the car shows an average consumption of 11.5, with a ratio of 80 city / highway 20%. In Korean, despite the much weaker engine and light weight of the car, unfortunately, the consumption was plus or minus the same, so I have nothing to complain about. Plus, my company pays for the fuel, so don't care😁
The head light in Toyota is radically better than in Crete, of course. But there is no very useful feature with an additional light bulb that shines sideways and highlights the turn, which turns on when the steering wheel is deflected. This trifle in Crete was very pleasant.
The dimensions of the machine, unfortunately, have already shown themselves. In my yard, where I calmly used to park on Crete, now I can’t get up anymore, I can’t fit in. I have to look for a free place all the time, I have never had such a problem before.
In general, a summary of the first days of ownership, compared with previous machines. The car is very pleasant, it has its drawbacks, but there are more pluses, and in general I get pleasure from driving, it is pleasant and comfortable to be behind the wheel, but for me this is the most important thing in the car. It does not evoke special emotions, but it is better to spend the guys' emotions on living people close to you, family, and not on a set of iron, plastic, and rubber. This set should carry from point A to point B without problems, hemorrhoids and unnecessary expenses, and preferably with maximum comfort for your fifth point. And I got all this with Toyota. I am satisfied with the choice, I took what I like, and at the right price. I don’t regret changing the car, the money was not spent in vain, I got exactly what I wanted, exactly for the price that I was ready to spend. To deal with the damn Yandex balalaika, so that it works fine, and you can live in peace.
I will update my review if I feel like it.
Beaver everyone. Neither nail nor wand
Recently, the Yandex radio head unit has been updated. With the latest version, most of the issues I noted in my review are gone. It works stably, problems with connecting the phone are a thing of the past. Surprisingly, the radio turns out to confidently play FLAC files, it can play videos. It is a pity that her filling is still weak, it noticeably slows down with any impact on it, you have to wait for 3-5 seconds. But in general, it is quite possible to use it in this form, it is not perfect, but the sound is not bad, the navigator with traffic jams normally leads along the route, Yandex music works fine.
I've been driving this car for a month now. You can already sum up the costs. The average ranges from 10.2 to 11.9, depending on the city/highway ratio. The consumption from the on-board computer and the consumption from checks are the same. On the highway with a cruise on 80-110 with rare overtaking, the consumption is about 6.6-7.5. In principle, of course, I would like it to be smaller, on the last car I saw numbers and 5 liters, but in general it suits, normal consumption for a rather heavy car
Finally got it in the mail and installed the registrar. I chose the Xiaomi 70 mai Dash cam Midrive 05d model without a screen. Very miniature. Shoots in 2k resolution, controlled entirely from a smartphone. Connected to the alarm, in the event of an alarm, power is supplied to the registrar. Launches very quickly. About the quality: decent during the day, car numbers are visible in motion, at night, of course, not very much, but I don’t know registrars capable of doing this at night. During the day, all registrars shoot about the same. Therefore, I downloaded an example of NIGHT shooting on the I disk, if you are interested, download it. yadi.sk/i/BiOQ6qRzLQ5i5A
I bought a rear camera washer on clean cam. I installed it myself, detailed instructions are attached, nothing complicated. It is really not cheap, 2500 + delivery, but the thing is very convenient. I am satisfied, I recommend it to everyone, despite the price. I only draw your attention to the fact that the washer nozzle needs to be adjusted with a needle so that it hits exactly in the center of the chamber
Decided to try to ride here in the "Eco" mode. What can I say - the vegetable mode in the urban crowd is quite convenient, pushing through traffic jams, you don’t need to dose the effort on the gas so precisely. Without it, the car becomes sharp as diarrhea, it is fraught. I did not notice any special savings, the consumption did not increase and did not fall
So, a year of ownership has passed, you can already take stock of the car and draw some conclusions. There were no problems during this time, the car from the category of sat-started-went. The wife travels the typical route home-kindergarten-work-shop-kindergarten-home. The pros and cons are generally confirmed. The ergonomics of the cabin are terrible. The seats are uncomfortable, the buttons are randomly scattered around the cabin, some are in dead, not visible areas. The first crickets appeared in the cabin. The paintwork is weak, there are already chips. Windshield heating is quite slow and not 100% coverage. The suspension is stiff. Music regular mediocre. Clearance 165 mm, but never hitched anywhere. Too wide front pillars block part of the view, and wipers that do not reach the edge of the glass further increase this blind zone. The car needs to be improved on trifles - for example, I had to install a rear camera washer, auto-folding mirrors, diode light in the cabin, and so on.
Pros - relative to my Corner 200, the fuel consumption is ridiculous. Permeability is decent for a crossover, but you need good tires. The stabilization system works very well, helped out a couple of times. A large interior and trunk, it fits and is large, and a stroller, and an argamak, and everything you need - not all at once, of course. The salon unfolds into a flat floor, you can sleep - I am 178 cm, my wife is 160, they fit together comfortably and comfortably, a tent is not needed in the summer in nature. Very good LED headlights - everything is perfectly visible at night
In general, the car with its pros and cons, not perfect, but quite comfortable. For our family, the pros far outweighed the cons, the car for the city is very comfortable, and most importantly, safe and reliable - it’s not scary to take family and children, there is confidence that the car will not let you down in a difficult situation. Power cell body, crash test, a bunch of airbags, reliable components and assemblies inspire peace of mind for themselves and their loved ones. It is a pity that Toyota does not want to learn from its mistakes and does not listen to the opinions of customers - in the new Rav 4 they repeated most of these disadvantages
It's been 2 years since the purchase. The opinion about the car has not changed - there are advantages, but there are also disadvantages, especially in terms of interior ergonomics, people with a height above 175 do not recommend considering this car for purchase at all. The average consumption is kept at the level of 11.5-12.5, mostly city mileage. In general, the most common urban crossover, nothing special. After selling my Land Cruiser 200 (improved living conditions) last year, this car became the only one in the family.
Got a question about summer tires. The factory Dunlop ST30 was so terrible that it was sold after a month of running. Very tough, very noisy - on a par with the Gislaved 200 winter spike! - I remember with a shudder. I planned to buy normal branded tires in the spring, but then the Ukrainian boil began, and all plans flew into the abyss.
When I saw the price of rubber in the spring, my hair stood on end. From 45 for the second echelon such as Nitto, Gislaved, Nordman, and from 65 and above for Michelins and Continentals. I even looked at used options - but the hucksters there were completely fucked up with prices.
I decided to look at Chinese manufacturers. From the variety of manufacturers from the Celestial Empire, my head was spinning. If Triangle, Gouform were more or less well known, then all sorts of Oveishen, Linglong and other things were generally dark horses for me. I decided to look only at those options that have reached European certification, have the appropriate marking and are sold in Europe. These are Triangle, Goform and Charmhoo, unknown to me before. Of these, the quietest were the last - Charmhoo sports T1, were declared at 68 dB, which is very good, even first-tier manufacturers rarely claimed less than 70 dB. The rest of the parameters, frankly, were not impressive - D for fuel economy and C for rainy roads, but I'm not a racer, and my wife is even more so. Decided to stop on this option. I ordered a set 225/60/18 at Drome for 28,000 rubles, 1900 delivery.
The wheels were balanced perfectly - 20-30 grams per wheel, the tires were even. It has now been a month of using Chinese tires, and I can say that I am completely, absolutely satisfied. Rubber not only confirmed the noise characteristics - the Chinese did not deceive, they turned out to be very quiet tires - they were also very soft. I drove in the rain - no problems, the car calmly keeps the trajectory. But there is no additional protection for the edges of the discs, this must be taken into account when parking to the curb. Also, MS is written on the rubber, but I would not trust the Chinese in the same way - the tread is typically summer.
Since the rubber is soft, there will certainly be increased wear, the riders probably won’t have enough for a couple of seasons, but for such a price I don’t see this as a big problem. Taking into account that it costs 3 times less than branded manufacturers, and in terms of characteristics it is no worse, and in some ways even better.
Now I am completely satisfied with this rubber, I definitely recommend it. Come back, I would buy it again without hesitation.
But of course, I will make the final conclusions on this rubber in the fall, when the time comes to change shoes.
Year of car purchase: 2020
Mileage: 7458 mi. (12000 km.)
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Category: 2019 Toyota RAV4 Reviews
Our nearest Mazda dealer is a couple thousand miles away. Yes, and her trunk is much smaller, the suspension is stiffer ... Skyactive motors are not famous for their reliability. And for me, all this is important.
Excellent car. I have a similar one, in the same color (wife loves burgundy), only diesel 2.2, four-wheel drive. Assembly Japan-2017. I live in Ukraine.
And what kind of peasant?
And here Klikonkar and Kia Seltos and Outlander, I know that the variators of many models do not last long, but specifically the Mitsubov ones run perfectly, Rafas are also now on variators in 2.0 liter engines.
Agree with you
Maybe the assembly is like this, I had a Japanese 2012, I didn’t notice this
Mitsubishi, like Nissans and Toyotas, do not make CVTs themselves. They choose from the available Jatko and Aisin models, and put them on their cars. As far as I understand, they themselves produce Hyundai Kia variators (very unreliable), Subaru and one of the Europeans
Well, when buying any car, you should read about weaknesses and potential problems. Tsi, DSG for Vaga and badass, four-wheel drive for Koreans were too massive a problem to hope for a miracle, and created a certain reputation for these manufacturers.
They make CVTs themselves, but they do not develop under license from the companies you specified.